sepiasongs
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Post by sepiasongs on May 13, 2006 8:56:34 GMT -5
I just got done watching alot of vids. and trailers from all the upcoming PS3 games and i'm honestly not impressed. It all just looks like the same shit with better graphics. (on top of that, graphics that really aren't anything better then the latest PC games like HL2 and Elder Scrolls Oblivion) I really don't see a reason yet that makes the console worth buying for someone that is growing tired of playing the same thing, virtually the same way, with only superficial upgrades. i agree. i think the quality of games on the ps2 has been a massive dissapointment compared to that of the psone. with the older machine there were titles that at the time were completely orginal: the resident evils, final fantasys, mgs, vagrant story. parrappa etc. even games which were just evolutions of previous titles (like castlevania :sotn) were still quite progressive and breath taking. the reason for this, i think, was the fact that the machine was easy to develop for (remember yaroze) and thus more capable of being pushed to new heights once in a while. just compare the leaps made between the various installments of ff, tekken and ridge racer to see what i mean. much like my telecaster guitar, its genius and versatility lies in its simplicity. anyway, a few yeas later, i ended up buying a ps2 expecting more of the same despite hearing that the ps2 was an even bigger bastard to develop for than the saturn. but over the years i have got increasingly dissapointed. of course there have been some great games such as: ff x, kingdom hearts, ico, onimusha, etc. but besides the usual football/racing spiel, most titles on it have ripped off either (the great) devil may cry 1 or (the overrated) 3d gta games. nowadays, when something original like ico, or, i love katmari does surface, it invariably gets overlooked admidst the hype over the latest fifa/gta clone. but when you stop and think about it, it shouldn't be a surprise. as production costs rise and platforms become harder to develop for, the amount of developers willing to take the risks they did in the psone days diminishes. that's why i think that out of the three machines, the wii looks the most promising since it seems to best address this problem and offer devlopers and the punters alike something truly new. at least that's what i think now based on the limited information available. maybe the ps3 will go on to undo the mediocrity of its predecessor? in either case, i don't see myself buying a new console for at least another couple of years after they're all out. so while all the morons are queueing up at midnight to lash out £600 on a bug-ridden ps3, i'll be tracking down the few cheap ps2 classics which i never got round to finishing. when i get bored of them, i'll consider my next move.
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Post by Klarkus on May 13, 2006 10:58:48 GMT -5
As ive said you cant really make these games any better than they already are. All you can do is add a new story and better graphics...I'd like to know what you can do you make the PS3 games better? Any ideas?
IMO sequals rock. Everyone loves resi evil, MGS, FF ect and to see them on a high spec console like 360 and PS3 its just amazing and antisipating. Look at Resi 1. Now who can tell me they prefer the PS1 Resi 1 to the PS2 Resi 4? The nes FF series to the PS2 FF Series?
Same can be said for all other games
Mario > Mario 64 Mario Kart > Mario Kart Double Dash Doom > Doom 3
All these games are really only updated by graphics. Nothing is really new they are just presented differently. And thats all the PS3 is doing. I dont want new games. I want the same top class games but better versions.
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Post by Goemon on May 13, 2006 16:05:39 GMT -5
Didnt understand a word of that and didnt even mention anything about Dynasty warriors? MGS4? Res 5? Oh yeah 1 button games I forgot. Next... I wasn't specifically relating that to you, it was just my impression of a certian type of mentality. About game franchises, all i see Sony offering for exclusive games are Metal Gear Solid, Kill Zone, Tekken, Socom, & Virtual Fighter 5 that will only have a visual upgrade. Nintendo is gonna be updating more franchises then that and offer a new way to play and not just better visuals. All the 3rd party stuff will be available on other consoles or the PC like GTA 4. If Nintendo wasn't offering a new way to play then i wouldn't even justify a reason to own the Wii over the PS3 other then personal preference.
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Post by Klarkus on May 13, 2006 18:45:12 GMT -5
Like the controller? Like the motion movement PS2 Controller? Thats new...and its the same but you can use 2 hands...
The nintendo Wii has no better visuals than the Gamecube from what they have shown so far Metroid Mario Zelda (same as GC beta stages TP)
So the only thing going for the nintendo wii is the controller and tbh I can see people sueing Nintendo because of accidents. It might sound funny but did you see Shiggsy or whatever his name is throwing his arms around on the tennis game? Can you imagine a little kid doing that and smashing his baby brother/sister in the head? Or smashing something valuable in the house? Sounds silly now but then again so did people blaming games for real life murders.
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sepiasongs
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Post by sepiasongs on May 13, 2006 19:16:48 GMT -5
As ive said you cant really make these games any better than they already are. All you can do is add a new story and better graphics...I'd like to know what you can do you make the PS3 games better? Any ideas? none whatsoever. which is why i don't see the point of needless graphical/story line improvements. on the surface, its stunning but deep inside, its just anachronistic. i agree, sequels aren't always bad news and in the case of some games, quite the opposite. but although i enjoyed final fantasy x a lot, finishing it never gave me the same feeling i got when i completed vii for the first time. true, this would not have been possible without the graphical hardware and 'cinematic' model of making games that the psone introduced, but i think now is the time for something different. in the last ten years we've seen massive changes in the see, hear and feel about games, thanks largely to sony. now developers can start to change the way we fundamentally play them. surely this is just a logical progression? this is why i'm liking the look of wii and the ds right now. and that's coming from someone who was (and remains) a massive psone fan and still likes his ps2 a fair bit. in fact, if final fantasy xii (the first installment in the series without sakaguchi and other key members who made the series so great in the first place) is good, i might still consider a ps3. once something becomes a classic it should be left to be just that. part of my love for ffvii lies in its blocky polygons, pre-rendered designs and choppy midi tunes. sure, they come across as primitive by today's standards but, they still convey a great appeal and strong associations to anyone who's ever played the game. its because of this that i don't see the point of the re-make, and perhaps even more controversially, am not a fan of any of these before crisis/dirge of cerebus/ advent children cash-ins. think about your favourite band. would you really want them to restrict their talents to re-recording and touring their most successful album from 5-10 years ago?
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dm404
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Post by dm404 on May 14, 2006 5:25:54 GMT -5
So the only thing going for the nintendo wii is the controller and tbh I can see people sueing Nintendo because of accidents. It might sound funny but did you see Shiggsy or whatever his name is throwing his arms around on the tennis game? Can you imagine a little kid doing that and smashing his baby brother/sister in the head? Or smashing something valuable in the house? Sounds silly now but then again so did people blaming games for real life murders. By that logic I guess people should be suing the pants off of the makers of Eye Toy, Konami for DDR, and the makers of those interactive plug-and-play sports games seeing as players do nearly the same exact actions, and have the same potential for accidents and injuries. So yeah that does sound like the most ridiculous reason for being against the Wii and its controller.
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Post by Klarkus on May 14, 2006 5:35:00 GMT -5
Who said I was against it? It sounds rediculous now yeah but people dont use the eye toy for a default controller all the time do they? Those things dont get used very often...and they are not gonna be used no way near as often as the Wii remote are they?
So no its not rediculous...its probable and if I see any articles in the news about people blaming Nintendo Wii for accidents i'll rub it in your face.
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Post by dm404 on May 14, 2006 6:49:49 GMT -5
Who said I was against it? It sounds rediculous now yeah but people dont use the eye toy for a default controller all the time do they? Those things dont get used very often...and they are not gonna be used no way near as often as the Wii remote are they? Maybe your not against it, though what you're talking about is long term injury which would be true, but that can be a similar case for a lot of products - like using a DDR dance mat on a weekly basis, or typing on a keyboard for extended periods of time, or even using a tradtional controller for marathon gaming sessions. However, that's still irrelivant to getting into an accident because a product needs only to be volatile enough to get into such just by using it only once or twice. All of those products I listed earlier are no different in terms of thier potential for disaster. Nintendo would get attention ONLY because theirs would be known more by the public. Well, like you said, it'll probably be the same group of people with their so-called research that violent video games soley influenced people to commit murder. So yes it's still ridiculous.
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Post by Klarkus on May 14, 2006 9:52:45 GMT -5
Actually now that I read that your right...it is rediculous but still probable.
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Post by Wired on May 15, 2006 18:31:56 GMT -5
So has anybody seen how awfull Tekken 6 looks? I'm all for the PS3, but this game looks sloppy.
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Post by werD on May 15, 2006 18:34:28 GMT -5
Well, like you said, it'll probably be the same group of people with their so-called research that violent video games soley influenced people to commit murder. So yes it's still ridiculous. Funny that you should mention that. Its time for Drew to go off topic! I'm doing a data management project on the effects of videogames on youth crime and, although its not finished, from the raw data they have it entirely wrong. It appears that in Canada and the US (where the data I have is from) video games sales have sky rocketed while at the same time, youth crime rates have continued to fall. Interesting. -Drew P.S. About Tekken 6. I don't know. I've seen some stuff that looks great and some stuff that looks relaly bland. We'll see.
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Post by Goemon on May 15, 2006 18:38:37 GMT -5
So has anybody seen how awfull Tekken 6 looks? I knew that their was no way it would look like the E3 2k5 trailer in real time but damn... It looked almost just like Tekken 5. I also hope the gameplay isn't gonna be DOA influenced as was practically hinted in the new trailer. I don't care about visuals but it was a bit of a let down.
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Post by Wired on May 15, 2006 18:51:00 GMT -5
Well, if T6 is a launch title, then they have a good few months to polish. However given that there hasn't been much about the title as of yet, there must be a reasonable ammount of other work to do. I also hope the gameplay isn't gonna be DOA influenced as was practically hinted in the new trailer. For the love of Heihachi, dont even joke about such things man...
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Post by Goemon on May 15, 2006 19:43:25 GMT -5
For the love of Heihachi, dont even joke about such things man... lol, i feel the way.
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Post by Goemon on May 16, 2006 2:16:45 GMT -5
For people that have never Seen games like HL2 and Elder Scrolls Oblivion before on a high performance pc, the ps3 will look amazing to them. This newest gen has defiantely taken the smallest jump in terms of visuals and it makes perfect sense. I remember reading that it takes epic almost a month to complete just one character in the upcoming UT2007. It's so damn expensive and time consuming.
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