|
|
Post by BoriquaSNK on Apr 1, 2003 15:32:01 GMT -5
This is something I think is pretty interesting, what are the odds that Playmore will create a new hardware base (MVS 2?) and what are the odds that it will be successful?
The Neo Geo's presence has pretty much fallen through the cracks in the states. They aren't seen in arcades much anymore, you're more likely to find them unplugged in the corner of a Pizza Hut or Highway rest stop than you are in some of the larger arcade chains (namely Namco's Time-Out). So I'd like to discusss what the last remaining strain of supporters think about the possibility of a KOF 2010? Will SNK/ Playmore survive the next five years or will it go the way of SEGA and become a license machine?
|
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 1, 2003 16:36:59 GMT -5
I don't think they will make another piece of hardware themselves as it is way too risky; look at SNK and the Hyper board, that was one of the things that caused their financial problems. It's more likely that they will go the publisher route and either only release home games in the future for PS2/Xbox/GC. If they do carry on making games for the arcade (which I think they will), my guess is that they'll develop for someone elses hardware... like the Atomiswave board, which afaik is very similar to the Naomi.
I'd love to see an MVS2... but I'd say it is very unlikely, and would perhaps even be suicidal on Playmores part. If it failed they would end up in debt big time.
|
|
|
|
Post by BoriquaSNK on Apr 1, 2003 20:25:26 GMT -5
I agree with that, but the fact that Playmore bought SNK in the first place is a huge risk. Honestly, when SNK folded I thought Capcom would be the one to soak up the assets.
So my opinion is that it could work...if they waited.
SNK was incredibly diverse in terms of products (Cool Cool Toon anybody?) and was not so arrogant as to stand by its hardware so religiously they turned off their own user base (Nintendo, and to a smaller extent Microsoft and Sony).
Why not continue what they're doing right now, make a profit off of ports (sega style), maybe attach themselves to a fledgling corporation (coughNintendocough) for a while, then come out of left field with a new console and arcade board...like Sony did with Playstation? This is wishful thinking as I have a deep love for both Nintendo and SNK, and I see how they may be able to help each other out.
*tear*
|
|
|
|
Post by Goukistar on Apr 1, 2003 20:27:31 GMT -5
I can't ever see there being an "MVS 2"; SNK/Playmore will go the way of Sega in the end.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 2, 2003 4:04:02 GMT -5
I can't ever see there being an "MVS 2"; SNK/Playmore will go the way of Sega in the end. Yeah that's pretty much what I think... although I do feel that they will continue to make arcade games of some sort, but on another system like Atomiswave or whatever (they are rumoured to be working on that system already in fact, might not be true though). BoriquaSNK: True, it was a risk for them to buy all of SNK's assets, but the SNK franchises do still have a quite loyal following. If they play their cards right they will be able to make money - I do think that porting over Neo games to the PS2 etc as quickly as they have done is a good start, as well as making decent Neo Geo games of course. SNK Vs Capcom is probably the game that will make or break them hwoever - if it is not good I don't think the fans will ever trust them again. One thing though - If they get a PS2/Xbox port of Snk Vs Capcom out in time for Xmas, I think they'll make a lot of money off that! Imagine if it had netplay!  As I said, they do need to be very careful - so making new hardware would probably not be a good idea. It would be fantastic for us fans, but if the hardware did go the same way as the Hyper, Playmore could end up in serious trouble. Provided they keep making money, we have a higher chance of seeing a new MotW, Last Blade or Samurai Shodown game (especially as they were all rumoured to be in development before SNK closed). If any one of those games gets announced, I'll be a very happy man  |
|
|
|
Post by Goukistar on Apr 2, 2003 5:11:00 GMT -5
It would be upmost folly to port a version to the Xbox and not include netplay. CvS2 has been quite the hit on both sides of the Atlantic. As for the PS 2, broadband network trials for the last major region (Europe) begin next week, so any potentail conversion may well be playable online.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 2, 2003 5:32:15 GMT -5
It would be upmost folly to port a version to the Xbox and not include netplay. CvS2 has been quite the hit on both sides of the Atlantic. As for the PS 2, broadband network trials for the last major region (Europe) begin next week, so any potentail conversion may well be playable online. I will personally go over to Playmores head office and kiss the ass of every one of their staff if the game turns out good and the PS2/Xbox version get netplay.  DAMMIT... did I *really* just say that? |
|
|
|
Post by Goukistar on Apr 2, 2003 5:48:06 GMT -5
I will personally go over to Playmores head office and kiss the ass of every one of their staff if the game turns out good and the PS2/Xbox version get netplay. DAMMIT... did I *really* just say that? You'd have to fight your way through a throng of disgruntled Capcom zealots bitching about the game being unbalanced in favour of the SNK characters, how Ryu isn't powerfull enough and they've messed up the Capcom line up because Playmore don't understand Street Fighter and just want to make it look bad because Capcom fighters have always been better etc.  |
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 2, 2003 5:53:58 GMT -5
You'd have to fight your way through a throng of disgruntled Capcom zealots bitching about the game being unbalanced in favour of the SNK characters, how Ryu isn't powerfull enough and they've messed up the Capcom line up because Playmore don't understand Street Fighter and just want to make it look bad because Capcom fighters have always been better etc. De ja vu anyone? Didn't we hear the same thing from all the KOF fans when Capcom Vs SNK was released?  You are probably bang on the money with that comment anyway! ;D |
|
|
|
Post by Goukistar on Apr 2, 2003 6:11:25 GMT -5
My point exactly. At least no one will be able to bitch about the re-use of old sprites giving the game a "mugen-ish" look this time. Probably.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 2, 2003 6:20:42 GMT -5
My point exactly. At least no one will be able to bitch about the re-use of old sprites giving the game a "mugen-ish" look this time. Probably. Yeah... although even if the game is perfect I'm sure some people out there will bitch. It's impossible to please everyone unfortunately. Hell, I bet they could put a voucher in there for "a free blow job from a Mai lookalike" and people would still complain  I can see it now: "Ewww I don't like Mai... I want one from Angel" etc etc... lol! oh - in case you are wondering why I've been around the forum so much this past couple of days - it's cos I'm off work with a bad cold... can't go out so I've been sitting around playing games all day since Saturday and not much else. It gets more boring than you'd think sometimes |
|
|
|
Post by BoriquaSNK on Apr 2, 2003 13:32:23 GMT -5
I'm there with ya Kaz, I have what feels like The Hong Kong Flu on steroids, I'm missing classes like crazy.
I'm interested to see exactly how PLaymore handles the control differences in the capcom characters, Capcom didn't completely screw over the SNK contrls, just the addition of an extra punch and kick button really turned a lot of people off.
Personally I can't wait
|
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 2, 2003 14:58:00 GMT -5
I'm there with ya Kaz, I have what feels like The Hong Kong Flu on steroids, I'm missing classes like crazy. I'm interested to see exactly how PLaymore handles the control differences in the capcom characters, Capcom didn't completely screw over the SNK contrls, just the addition of an extra punch and kick button really turned a lot of people off. Personally I can't wait Yeah this cold sucks, although I got put on antibiotics which are making me feel a little sick - which is probably worse I can't wait to see what Playmore does with the Capcom characters either - in fact it will be a real blast to control Ryu etc with a Neo Geo stick... I've been waiting to do that for a long time I'm also looking forward to hearing waht they do with the music as well - I am hoping that they do Neo remixes a load of classic Capcom and SNK tunes, instead of a totally fresh soundtrack like in CvS. As for the controls, I can kind of understand what some SNK fans mean - for instance, I can't really play Rock in CvS the same way as I would in MotW... but it isn't that big a deal. What a lot of people don't seem to realise imho is that it is a very different game and you just need to learn it and play it in a different way. I think the main problem lies in the fact that so many SNK fans are VERY anti-Capcom (and vice-versa). Most of them instantly hate CvS because they despise Street Fighter. If Playmore can do as well as SNK did with SNK Vs Capcom: MotM on the NGPC, I will be very happy. That is still the definitive crossover game as far as I am concerned and definitely the best handheld fighter money can buy... hell, it's the only NGPC cart that I have left now |
|
|
|
Post by Goukistar on Apr 2, 2003 18:00:38 GMT -5
Yeah this cold sucks, although I got put on antibiotics which are making me feel a little sick - which is probably worse I can't wait to see what Playmore does with the Capcom characters either - in fact it will be a real blast to control Ryu etc with a Neo Geo stick... I've been waiting to do that for a long time I'm also looking forward to hearing waht they do with the music as well - I am hoping that they do Neo remixes a load of classic Capcom and SNK tunes, instead of a totally fresh soundtrack like in CvS. As for the controls, I can kind of understand what some SNK fans mean - for instance, I can't really play Rock in CvS the same way as I would in MotW... but it isn't that big a deal. What a lot of people don't seem to realise imho is that it is a very different game and you just need to learn it and play it in a different way. I think the main problem lies in the fact that so many SNK fans are VERY anti-Capcom (and vice-versa). Most of them instantly hate CvS because they despise Street Fighter. If Playmore can do as well as SNK did with SNK Vs Capcom: MotM on the NGPC, I will be very happy. That is still the definitive crossover game as far as I am concerned and definitely the best handheld fighter money can buy... hell, it's the only NGPC cart that I have left now Yeah, Rock's much better in CvS2 than in MotW  . You're right about many SNK zealots hating CvS just becase they hate Street Fighter (see: neogeo.com forums), but no matter how great SvC ends up being, some Capcom zealots will loathe it just for having only four buttons. The sooner some peple realize that both the SF and KoF engines are distinct, the better. So many of the idiots tackle the engine they are unfamiliar with in the same manner as the one they know, find the tactics don't work, and then flood message boards ranting about how anyone who loves the company they don't "IS A FAG ROFLMAO LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!" |
|
|
|
Post by Kazuya_UK on Apr 3, 2003 3:51:48 GMT -5
Hehe, I dunno I prefer Rock in MotW... I think its just that a couple of the combos I use a lot in that game don't seem to work in CvS2... but as I said, you just have to learn new ones. I might put a few more hours into CvS2 when I get a chance, it should tide me over until SvC:Chaos I know what you mean about certain people over at neo-geo.com. There are a LOT of great people over there, but a few forum members seem to take the whole "SNK is/was God" thing too far. SNK was a Godlike company for many people (myself included) and they made some awesome games, but I really don't see why some people can't keep an open mind and try to like other stuff as well. At the end of the day though, it is their loss It's also for the same reason that some of them hate Playmores releases so far - ok so we haven't had anything yet that has been on the level of SNK's best works, but things are improving and I am personally quite optimistic about the future. Btw, if you REALLY want to see idiotic stuff, go over to the gamefaqs.com message boards. Again, there are some really cool people over there, but there are a lot of complete morons too. As an example, some guy went into the SNK Vs Capcom message board, and said "Er guys, what does SvC stand for?".... I mean, the title of the game is in BIG massive letters across the top of the screen anyway! Then there are the people there that think "SNK" is pronounced "SINK". Laugh...? I almost pissed myself |
|
