Most Intense Training

[Marco]

Ok world wide then do you think that the Guerilla force is the people that get the most intensive training.

Also watch out for a Reality (REAL,REAL REALITY) War game at www.shellshockgame.com thats the game thats gonna' take place in Vietnam. ;D

P.S. If it's too intense do you think they'll ban the game from game stores and other stores that sell games becuase I hope not I really,REALLY!!!! want that game

Rumor is the basecamp is the best place on the game Lol!!!! ;D

[Candycab]

Being a Former US Marine myself { 3RD Amphibious Assault Battallion 5Th Marines } I can tell you that Basic training can be pretty rough but pales in comparrison to anything that the Marine Corps Snipers ,Aviators and Recon have to go through.

My training was pretty hardcore in terms of close in combat and beach landings ,it gets really nasty when you actually have to engage someone up close and personal so you train accordingly. But that is nothing compared to the mental and physicall attrition it takes to make it through any of the more specialized forms of training that are associated with flying or anything stealth related Marine Corps or otherwise.

I have had the privelage to meet and work side bye side with some SAS forces and those guys are just plain freaky, they are almost machine like in their toughness, they really do live up to their reputation of being bad asses and thats no joke.

[Marco]

Candycab said:

Being a Former US Marine myself { 3RD Amphibious Assault Battallion 5Th Marines } I can tell you that Basic training can be pretty rough but pales in comparrison to anything that the Marine Corps Snipers ,Aviators and Recon have to go through.

My training was pretty hardcore in terms of close in combat and beach landings ,it gets really nasty when you actually have to engage someone up close and personal so you train accordingly. But that is nothing compared to the mental and physicall attrition it takes to make it through any of the more specialized forms of training that are associated with flying or anything stealth related Marine Corps or otherwise.

I have had the privelage to meet and work side bye side with some SAS forces and those guys are just plain freaky, they are almost machine like in their toughness, they really do live up to their reputation of being bad asses and thats no joke.

Ok if you'r not lying then answer me this. Do you believe that there's some people that have never went to the military but can handle a gun,and act like a natural on the battle field when they've had no training?

[Raiken]

Marco said:

Ok if you'r not lying then answer me this.

I can assure you he is not making this up ...

[Candycab]

Marco said:

Ok if you'r not lying then answer me this. Do you believe that there's some people that have never went to the military but can handle a gun,and act like a natural on the battle field when they've had no training?

Yes I was really in the Marine Corps & I am now a Vetran twice over{ 1988/89 to 1994/97 inactive , Panama in 88/89 & Kuwait in 90 } Handling any gun shouldnt be a problem for anyone {its nothing more than a tool like a hammer or a shovel} , there really cant be a " natural " on any battlefield since everything you do is squad based for maximum firepower in small clusters. That is what keeps soldiers alive during conflicts.

These are things that take alot of time and work to learn and become proficent in nomatter who the person maybe. You really have to learn to trust everyone in youre squad and viceversa to be the very best they can be in their job to function as one if you want to go home intact. These are things that we as animals just dont seem to have any instinct for.

Rambo wouldnt make it 30 seconds in any real fight ,unless its in the script

I suppose some people take to learning some things faster than others may, but a non trained person in an engagement wouldnt be breathing for long regardless of how good they are with a weapon. No one can go it alone and unless you are in sync with those around you ,you will be alone.

[Marco]

Candycab said:

Yes I was really in the Marine Corps & I am now a Vetran twice over{ 1988/89 to 1994/97 inactive , Panama in 88/89 & Kuwait in 90 } Handling any gun shouldnt be a problem for anyone {its nothing more than a tool like a hammer or a shovel} , there really cant be a " natural " on any battlefield since everything you do is squad based for maximum firepower in small clusters. That is what keeps soldiers alive during conflicts.

These are things that take alot of time and work to learn and become proficent in nomatter who the person maybe. You really have to learn to trust everyone in youre squad and viceversa to be the very best they can be in their job to function as one if you want to go home intact. These are things that we as animals just dont seem to have any instinct for.

Rambo wouldnt make it 30 seconds in any real fight ,unless its in the script

I suppose some people take to learning some things faster than others may, but a non trained person in an engagement wouldnt be breathing for long regardless of how good they are with a weapon. No one can go it alone and unless you are in sync with those around you you will be alone.

Well what about those kids at Columbine they could last on the battle field because first of all as you know if you read the news (old news at that HAR,HAR!!!)they say that Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were under the influence of some depressant pill which I guess helped them escape the fear of the cops coming which also should help on the battle field no fear=Uhh I guess shooting the enemy without a care in the world. Another example the guys from the North Hollywood shootout you can find the movie with this link www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000DC3VL/103-7622296-3887850?v=glance

they were also under the influence of some pill which made them kill the cops without a care in the world and not being afraid also they had Kalashnikov Russian made AK-47's (I wonder how they snuck those into the states)
those are 2 examples of people that were taken from real situations and I think they would last as long as any other soldier out there now I'm not doubting you this is just my opinion

p.s. have you ever held an ak-47 because if you have plz tell me all about them I really really REALLY!!!! Like ak-47's I dunno why they just are so ughhhhh I can't explain just plz tell me about it if you have held one and stuff before

[darkschneider]

Having no fear of the enemy is only part of any encounter. Look at Japanese from WW2, they were instructed that it was not the size or physical strength of a man, but the strength of the will to fight in the man that would win the fight.

Now, who ultimately lost WW2? Oh yeah, Japan.

[Candycab]

Marco said:

they were also under the influence of some pill which made them kill the cops without a care in the world and not being afraid also they had Kalashnikov Russian made AK-47's (I wonder how they snuck those into the states)
those are 2 examples of people that were taken from real situations and I think they would last as long as any other soldier out there now I'm not doubting you this is just my opinion

p.s. have you ever held an ak-47 because if you have plz tell me all about them I really really REALLY!!!! Like ak-47's I dunno why they just are so ughhhhh I can't explain just plz tell me about it if you have held one and stuff before

I have shot a couple of real SKS AK's in the past when I was at the DOJ, for the most part they are a pretty good weapon, very reliable and a reasonable amount of firepower. Up until a few years ago real SKS AK's were not illegal in the US so there are still alot of them around in collections, infact to this day the knock off AK's are totally legal so long as they arent full auto.

Personally I would take an M-4 ,M-14 or a 308.cal AR-15 over an AK any day. For submacine guns the H&K UMP in a 40.cal is almost god like ,they make the MP5 feel like a real turd. ;D

[sukotsuto]

Candycab said:

I have shot a couple of real SKS AK's in the past when I was at the DOJ, for the most part they are a pretty good weapon, very reliable and a reasonable amount of firepower. Up until a few years ago real SKS AK's were not illegal in the US so there are still alot of them around in collections, infact to this day the knock off AK's are totally legal so long as they arent full auto.

Personally I would take an M-4 ,M-14 or a 308.cal AR-15 over an AK any day. For submacine guns the H&K UMP in a 40.cal is almost god like ,they make the MP5 feel like a real turd. ;D

aye Candycab, ever heard of or tried the "Armalite"? (or was it "Armalight"?) it's a standard issue automatic rifle for the Philippine Military and Police and sometimes used by the communistic group New People's Army. if you've ever tried one, how does that feel and how does it sum up to other auto rifles?

[Marco]

Candycab said:

I have shot a couple of real SKS AK's in the past when I was at the DOJ, for the most part they are a pretty good weapon, very reliable and a reasonable amount of firepower. Up until a few years ago real SKS AK's were not illegal in the US so there are still alot of them around in collections, infact to this day the knock off AK's are totally legal so long as they arent full auto.

Personally I would take an M-4 ,M-14 or a 308.cal AR-15 over an AK any day. For submacine guns the H&K UMP in a 40.cal is almost god like ,they make the MP5 feel like a real turd. ;D

well when I speak to ma shootin' buddys (seriously) I tell them one day I'm gonna test an AK out and they laugh,laugh,laugh!!! like I can't handle an ak is it true that AK'S have to much recoil?!!

[Candycab]

sukotsuto said:

aye Candycab, ever heard of or tried the "Armalite"? (or was it "Armalight"?) it's a standard issue automatic rifle for the Philippine Military and Police and sometimes used by the communistic group New People's Army. if you've ever tried one, how does that feel and how does it sum up to other auto rifles?

You were correct on the first try ... its Armalite , that is what the "AR" means in AR-15 , I know that the Rangers like to use Armalite derived M-4's vs the Colt model. In effect every Colt M series rifle is an Armalite derived design since to this day they own the liscensing to the overall base design and anything that is derived from it. I myself am half owner with my step father in a real AR-15 223. that actually was second or third run in 1957 or 58 ? I cant remember at the moment ...as well as a genuine 9MM Uzi rifle { that being the bigger one with the folding stock not the pistol type } for the most part the Uzi is incredibly useless even when aming over about 40 yards { fun to shoot though },whereas the AR could hit a flea in the ass at 75 yards with no problem.... really sweet gun that just needs to be a 308. to be perfect

So yes Im somewhat familliar with Armalite but they have alot of very nice rifles I have never played with ,but would like to

[sukotsuto]

Candycab said:

You were correct on the first try ... its Armalite , that is what the "AR" means in AR-15 , I know that the Rangers like to use Armalite derived M-4's vs the Colt model. In effect every Colt M series rifle is an Armalite derived design since to this day they own the liscensing to the overall base design and anything that is derived from it. I myself am half owner with my step father in a real AR-15 223. that actually was second or third run in 1957 or 58 ? I cant remember at the moment ...as well as a genuine 9MM Uzi rifle { that being the bigger one with the folding stock not the pistol type } for the most part the Uzi is incredibly useless even when aming over about 40 yards { fun to shoot though },whereas the AR could hit a flea in the ass at 75 yards with no problem.... really sweet gun that just needs to be a 308. to be perfect

So yes Im somewhat familliar with Armalite but they have alot of very nice rifles I have never played with ,but would like to

oh ok
i've heard the rounds they use in AR these days makes a lil burst once it penetrates, which is used to lessen the effectiveness of bulletproof vests (though it's more of a hearsay and i haven't confirmed it myself since i don't go around guns and/or the military/police a lot.) if it's true, what are these things called?

here's a funny fact: it was called armalite because it was made by "Armando Literal" (hence "ArmaLite"). since he's a filipino, his gun design is the standard issue here in the philippines. ;D

[Candycab]

sukotsuto said:

oh ok
i've heard the rounds they use in AR these days makes a lil burst once it penetrates, which is used to lessen the effectiveness of bulletproof vests (though it's more of a hearsay and i haven't confirmed it myself since i don't go around guns and/or the military/police a lot.) if it's true, what are these things called?

here's a funny fact: it was called armalite because it was made by "Armando Literal" (hence "ArmaLite"). since he's a filipino, his gun design is the standard issue here in the philippines. ;D

I know when I was in the Marines the Geneva Convention AKA the rules of engagement only allowed for Full Metal Jacketed rounds so if indeed that is true its new to me. It is possible to make a jacketed round that will essentially explode upon impact as this has been done in the past in various calibers.

No telling what they are using now days , heh its not like they would tell the public the whole truth anyway, the depleted uranium 20mm rounds in use are proof of that. In that case the uranium actually causes the shell to melty through the targets armour.
They also tend to cause cancer in people who are hit with fragments and survive { nice bye product huh } I dont think this could be applied to a small arms rounds due to the low muzzle velocity, but I know there are some 308. rounds out there that will go clean through body armour like its ricepaper and those are scary as hell if you ask me. Those arent in service due to the Geneva Convention ,which is why the millitary stuck to the 223. vs the 308.

Pretty interesting factoid there bye the way

My cousin recently married a woman from the Phillipines ,you can check out some of his trip over there on his site here if you want to.

www.holeshot.com

There is a link on the bottom of the home page just above his Signature.

[sukotsuto]

Candycab said:

I know when I was in the Marines the Geneva Convention AKA the rules of engagement only allowed for Full Metal Jacketed rounds so if indeed that is true its new to me. It is possible to make a jaceted round that will essentially explode upon impact as this has been done in the past in various calibers.

No telling what they are using now days , heh its not like they would tell the public the whole truth anyway, the depleted uranium 20mm rounds in use are proof of that. In that case the uranium actually causes the shell to melty through the targets armour.
They also tend to cause cancer in people who are hit with fragments and survive { nice bye product huh } I dont think this could be applied to a small arms rounds due to the low muzzle velocity, but I know there are some 308. rounds out there that will go clean through body armour like its flypaper and those are scary as hell if you ask me. Those arent in service due to the Geneva Convention ,which is why the millitary stuck to the 223. vs the 308.

Pretty interesting factoid there bye the way

My cousin recently married a woman from the Phillipines ,you can check out some of his trip over there on his site here if you want to.

www.holeshot.com

There is a link on the bottom of the home page just above his Signature.

your cousin came across this beauty eh?:


the link you posted there is a motorcycle site, which reminds me a lil too much to follow my dad's biking footsteps ;D. my dad, from what i can remember, has a few holeshot parts rigged in his old, custom-tuned baby (though he had to sell it when we were short on cash) .


the burst-on-impact rounds thingy i've heard about weren't supposed to be used in normal circumstances and therefore, unethical in use? very likely with the current military and rebellious forces we have here nowadays... .

[Yeton]

SAS.