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Post by Klarkus on Dec 2, 2005 23:01:47 GMT -5
My m8 got his 360 today at game and they told him that if he buys the bigger Harddrive his old Xbox games will work on the 360 (and everywhere also says this)...
What they DONT tell you is that you need an xbox live account and obviously the internet because you need to download an upgrade. So for all of you planning on trading in your xbox to get one and be able to play doom3, half life 2, halo 2 ect on xbox 360 then think about it because my m8s just traded his in and he hasnt got the internet and probably wont ever have.
Other than that the console is pretty nifty...best thing so far is you can turn the console on from the control pad (sweet)
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Post by Edge on Dec 3, 2005 12:45:05 GMT -5
My m8 got his 360 today at game and they told him that if he buys the bigger Harddrive his old Xbox games will work on the 360 (and everywhere also says this)... What they DONT tell you is that you need an xbox live account and obviously the internet because you need to download an upgrade. So for all of you planning on trading in your xbox to get one and be able to play doom3, half life 2, halo 2 ect on xbox 360 then think about it because my m8s just traded his in and he hasnt got the internet and probably wont ever have. Other than that the console is pretty nifty...best thing so far is you can turn the console on from the control pad (sweet) Yeah, I remember reading up an article about that. Since Nvidia created the first Xbox's video card, they have the rights to the hardware itself. Unfortunately for Microsoft, Nvidia has partnered up with Sony now with the PS3 and later projects. ATI was hired to create the new Video Card in the Xbox 360 and Nvidia refused to sell the hardware rights to Microsoft. Thus, a software emulator of Xbox was created in order to play old Xbox games. My friend has Xbox live so he can update it every so often, Halo 2 looked the same on it, but it was just a bit faster. With later updates they hope to support all Xbox games (Right now it supports around 300 games). But yeah, they need to put that some where on the box to inform the gamer or re-package the Xbox360 with the software emulator. |
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Post by flan_man on Dec 5, 2005 5:13:09 GMT -5
No, you DON'T need an Xbox Live account in order to install the upgrade. You can download the upgrade from the Xbox site, unzip it, and then burn it on a cd or dvd. Feed the 360 with the disc and follow the instructions that pop up.
If you can't do that, Microsoft claims that from early December onwards you will also be able to order a cd with the upgrade file on the site. It's sent to you and apparently you only pay for the shipping.
Granted, you would at least need an internet connection to read up on all this, but how hard can it be to ask a friend to download and burn the upgrade file for you? Everybody with an Xbox 360 has at least access to the internet somewhere, so I don't see any false advertising.
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Post by Raiken on Dec 5, 2005 11:03:17 GMT -5
No, you DON'T need an Xbox Live account in order to install the upgrade. You can download the upgrade from the Xbox site, unzip it, and then burn it on a cd or dvd. Feed the 360 with the disc and follow the instructions that pop up. If you can't do that, Microsoft claims that from early December onwards you will also be able to order a cd with the upgrade file on the site. It's sent to you and apparently you only pay for the shipping. Granted, you would at least need an internet connection to read up on all this, but how hard can it be to ask a friend to download and burn the upgrade file for you? Everybody with an Xbox 360 has at least access to the internet somewhere, so I don't see any false advertising. Flan will defend the 360 with his life ;D |
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Post by Edge on Dec 5, 2005 19:09:41 GMT -5
Hey man, I'm not arguing against the Xbox 360, I'm just saying that it would have been more reliable for the consumer to have the emulator pre-installed on the 360 before it came out.
Besides, all my other friends got it and are rubbing it in my face.
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Post by flan_man on Dec 6, 2005 4:47:08 GMT -5
Flan will defend the 360 with his life ;D Let's not exaggerate here. But yeah, I'm having a lot of fun with Project Gotham Racing 3 right now. ;D Maybe I would defend it with my life if I could stream Divx and Xvid vids.  Hey man, I'm not arguing against the Xbox 360, I'm just saying that it would have been more reliable for the consumer to have the emulator pre-installed on the 360 before it came out.  But it is pre-installed. And since Halo 2 is mentioned here: it is playable, out of the box. No need to download anything for that game to be playable. The only problem is that the software emulator currently doesn't support every Xbox game out there. That's where the upgrades will be coming into play. I agree that it would have been a lot more comfortable to have a software emulator that would be able to support 100% of the Xbox games from the start, but with the technical issues you're mentioning that would probably have delayed the release of the 360 with a year or even more. |
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Post by Edge on Dec 6, 2005 15:43:12 GMT -5
Ah, okay. My bad for not knowing. Of course, I will eventually pick up an Xbox 360 since Microsoft has strong support for 2d gaming companies SNKPlaymore, unlike those strict bastards of Sony of US. I would buy a GameCube, but it's not my "cup of tea" so to speak.
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Post by Raiken on Dec 6, 2005 23:34:48 GMT -5
Actually Flan can probably defend his life with the 360 given microsoft's prior system being crazy durable ;D
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Post by flan_man on Dec 7, 2005 14:43:49 GMT -5
It was the Gamecube that won the durability test. The Xbox was holding pretty strong too, but its faceplate button popped off when it was thrown from the second floor, and the system couldn't be powered on anymore. ;D
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Post by Raiken on Dec 8, 2005 10:00:37 GMT -5
It was the Gamecube that won the durability test. The Xbox was holding pretty strong too, but its faceplate button popped off when it was thrown from the second floor, and the system couldn't be powered on anymore. ;D Really? I must say I do like the design for the cube since the venting on the sides makes it easier to cool down and having the power unit seperate from the system reduces heating greatly. |
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Post by Klarkus on Dec 22, 2005 1:43:12 GMT -5
You still need the net though right? 3 of my friends who brought xbox 360 do not have the net and im sure there are many other customers out there that have the same problem. Yeah you could get a m8 to do it but theres a chance some people cant so there still needs to be a little note on the actual box saying you cant just bang your old games into the xbox 360 and play. Pretty stupid actually.
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Post by flan_man on Dec 22, 2005 9:11:09 GMT -5
You still need the net though right? It would be handy to say the least. Not only for the updates that will enable you to play those games that are currently unsupported, but also for updates on games where the emulation isn't working the way it should. Take DOA3 for example. It's on the list of backwards compatible games, but when you're using the originally installed emulator, that game is prone to freeze during gameplay. This problem got settled with the latest update (currently v 1.2), but you can see how all of this is going to be a lengthy process with numerous updates, and ordering a cd whenever there is an update isn't exactly ideal. |
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Post by Kazuya_UK on Dec 22, 2005 9:33:14 GMT -5
Also... I'm surprised to hear from anyone that buys a 360 at launch, but doesn't have a PC and at least dial up Internet access? Fair enough if not, but it's still surprising in this day and age?
It's like my Toshiba DVD recorder actually - there's firmware upgrades for the operating system on that, but if I didn't have internet access then I wouldn't be too upset to have to write to Toshiba and pay for them to send me an upgrade disc. If the Xbox 360 can play Halo 2 and many other games out of the box (as flan said), but it just needs upgrading from time to time to improve compatability, then how else would you suggest for them to do it for non-internet users?
I know it sucks that the Xbox isn't backwards compatible Playstation style, but then again I think it had to be done this way because of the difference in gfx chips between the original and the 360. Then again, even the PS2 has issues with certain PS1 games, that was a big issue at launch.
Kaz
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Post by flan_man on Dec 22, 2005 11:37:41 GMT -5
Ah yes, few people seem to be aware of this because the number of unsupported games is limited, but Sony still keeps this list... ;D Maybe people got spoiled a bit by the ps2 being backwards compatible with almost every psone game? Maybe they were expecting the same thing with the Xbox 360, even though it's software emulation instead of just installing the previous console's chippery inside of the new console too. I have been following the 360 news since the beginning. Admittedly Microsoft was rather late to announce that they were jumping on the backwards compatibility bandwagon, but they did clearly state that, as a start, only the best selling Xbox games would be backwards compatible. If someone is going to point the finger, better do it towards some of the stores and their salespeople out there. The way I see it, it's especially some of these stores/salespeople that inform potential customers incorrectly, either because they don't know what they're talking about themselves, or indeed maliciously. Let's take another example: customers that somehow end up being convinced that the Xbox 360 contains a hd-dvd drive. Obviously such information could never have been given by Microsoft, but by some disreputable source. Is it Microsoft's task then to put various warnings on the box or in the manuals to refute all of the lies that are floating around?  The good thing is that this is a problem that will solve itself. |
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Post by Kazuya_UK on Dec 23, 2005 6:36:04 GMT -5
If someone is going to point the finger, better do it towards some of the stores and their salespeople out there. The way I see it, it's especially some of these stores/salespeople that inform potential customers incorrectly, either because they don't know what they're talking about themselves, or indeed maliciously. Let's take another example: customers that somehow end up being convinced that the Xbox 360 contains a hd-dvd drive. Obviously such information could never have been given by Microsoft, but by some disreputable source. Is it Microsoft's task then to put various warnings on the box or in the manuals to refute all of the lies that are floating around? The good thing is that this is a problem that will solve itself. I 100% agree with that, having worked in retail for so many years I know how uninformed the vast majority of customers are, along with how little knowledge many staff at even specialist stores have. The majority of staff in places like these (especially the big stores) don't give a crap anyway... if you're on minimum wage and not really into video games then who cares if you spout garbage to joe public every day? It's so funny though... when said uninformed customer goes in and gets fed a load of rubbish, it turns into a game of Chinese whispers where misinformation gets passed on to a friend, and then a friend passes on a slightly more uninformed version to someone else and so on. When it eventually gets to the point where someone walks in and asks for "one of them Nintendo Playstation handheld Gameboy things", you know you are in trouble... and just for the record, that's actually a true story because someone asked me for that once!  Also reminds me of the guy who asked me why his Fifa '98 for the PC wouldn't work in his Playstation...  Kaz |
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